The Church of Boot ( Swear-words might make this NWS)

[smokingboot]

So the Vatican is not going to allow gay priests; I was surprised. I am so used to the comedic old villains hating cunts, I completely forgot that they hated cocks as well, that all sex beyond sex for procreation was a sin. Dear old George hit the nail on the head:

'When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?'

That was very true, he thought. There was a direct intimate connexion between chastity and political orthodoxy. For how could the fear, the hatred, and the lunatic credulity which the Party needed in its members be kept at the right pitch, except by bottling down some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force?' - 1984, George Orwell

Tain't about goodness, tis about power. Christ never mentions sex and with good reason: He knew that the Great One(s) have better things to do than sniff our underwear.

Harm none, help some, be happy, follow a light if you want to, fall in love, watch a movie, whatever. Have lots of mutually amazing sex. Don't send money, and if you see me turning into a demagogue, shoot me (having pumped me full of e's first)

Go forth, my children, and multiply.

Oh, and in the millenia ahead, when the generations turn to the ancient texts of this Temple of Talking Heads and find these words, let no stupid fucker dare translate 'Harm none' as an injunction to kill people not like us: or my ghost will arise from the ashes of lj, and I will haunt with a mighty malevolence; the chips in the back of their heads will fry, and their genitals will wither into strange sea-horse and dried fruit shapes.

Here endeth the lesson.

Comments

[bytepilot.livejournal.com]

Ah, so it is only the wise, and celibate pristhood of th temple of talking heads who are allowed to translate "Harm None" into "Kill anyone wearing a wimple" ?

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

Wimplesmmmm.

I hope no-one within this TOTH (note: It's almost Thoth backwards! Someone make up a meaning for it!) claims both wisdom and celibacy. Celibacy seldom gives knowledge beyond the ability to cross one's eyes for months.

[november-girl.livejournal.com]

ephraim and I were discussing this earlier. It's quite a substantial change from the previous position of hating the sin (i.e. the act of buggery) but not the sinner. What's going to happen to all those sworn to the priesthood who are celibate gays? Are they just expected to hang up their robes? How is this going to be policed? If someone is celibate, how is their preference to be proven? I know some of the Cahtolic orders (e.g. the Carmelites) have practicised this policy for some time, but to extend it to the church as a whole must have a massive effect, especially on those who go into the priesthood precisely because they're gay, have a moral problem with their own homosexuality and therefore look for the strongest vow of celibacy that they can take to try to wipe out their sin (e.g. my schoolfriend who became a monk). I shall be watching this one with interest.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

I too, know some who seek to subdue their various desires in the company of God, in the humility and silence of accepting the pain and surrendering to the Divine will.

For these, a door seems to be shut. Maybe it will re-open, or maybe they will find another door.

There is a pathos and an emptiness in this that makes me sad.

[bytepilot.livejournal.com]

Celibacy seldom gives knowledge beyond the ability to cross one's eyes for months.
You are a bad bad girl, and under other circumstances* would recieve a sound spanking.
As it is I shall simply blow kisses northwards (The M1 should be clear at this time of day) and dream dreams of cuddling you at the earliest opportuniy.


*Those being the circumstances required for you to enjoy it thoroghly

[cyanidemigraine.livejournal.com]

for me, i cannot hear of this doctrine soon to be published without thinking of the devout catholic homosexual, the one who believes what the church says with pure innocence and naivete, the one who now thinks that if, when he dies, he still deep down gets aroused at naked men, despite dedicating his whole life to resisting that sin and that temptation, he is still unclean.

this is the first step to making homosexuals unholy by their very nature, original sin-esque, and the homosexuals who lie, will be welcomed with open arms, and the ones who believe, and speak the truth will be turned away, to spend the rest of their lives spiralling into repression and self hatred.

I can see why theyre doing it, theyre terrified, recently in some areas the church has gone through a period of a lot of gay men being in the priesthood, in some areas its even.....(gasp) almost becoming an open known thing, in some circles people are even quipping that its becoming like the stereotype of hair dressers and air stewards, a queer proffession

and this dosnt cause pitchforks and torches to be produced, people were becoming ok with that, shit that must terrify them beyond belief,

to compare being gay with alchoholism, is to show a terrifying bigotry where you are tarring kind, spiritual and strong willed (homosexual) men, with the brush of the youth (or wannabe youth *grin*) and party goers of their sexual persuasion

it is like telling a 40year old male heterosexual he cannot be a priest because, well, we all know what squaddies are like

or a octanagerian woman she cannot work in a church because rumour has it nurses are always at it

they just have no idea, and are blindly thrashing around in fear, and its their own they will damage

am gonna go away and do something relaxing for a bit methinks

[binidj.livejournal.com]

"Go forth, my children, and multiply."

And many years hence, Fundamentalist Bootians will highlight this specific line and say ... "See? She intends that only sex for procreation is right. We must, on the strength of this line, take on a crusade against masturbation and recreational sex!"

It doesn't matter what the original intent is, wicked humans will turn the written word to serve their own desires.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

they just have no idea, and are blindly thrashing around in fear,

Exactly. Fear is the key.

I too need to go do something relaxing, but for the life of me, I don't know what will work.

With no intention of being politically correct

[larians.livejournal.com]

Why do you expect a humanist response from an organisation that is based on a 2000 year old quasi myth and politically edited piece of propaganda? Why do you expect a just or reasonsed argument from a man who allowed Robert Mugabe to attend his coronation?

It is a corrupt and destructive agency that is about power and control. If enough people ignore it then it will eventually go away, leaving the world a richer and generally better place.

Yes I despise this organisation, but it is not alone in that regards as I am pretty anti most organised religion.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

*Puts head in hands* literal when they want to be literal, and yet ignoring the source of what is said. Where, in the recorded words of Jesus Christ, is this poison to be found?

Fundamentalist Bootians? A fig upon them!

(I presume they will take this as a command to wear figs at all times. By their figs shall ye know them.)

Re: With no intention of being politically correct

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

Because at its heart, the story of Christ is the story of humanity: You have seen La Pieta, compassion and pity made Art. Did it not touch you?

Every human being gets shafted and betrayed, by other humans, by God (Christ's last words, almost, are 'My God/Father, why have you betrayed/abandoned me?') And the woman sitting there, bewildered to see the labour of pain and years, the child who promised so fair, tortured, branded a traitor, the body ruined, the life gone. Some 5-7000 years ago, in the cycles of Inanna another mother looks at the body of her son, taken to hell, and says, 'It is his face, but there is no-one there.' How can there be no-one there? All this pain and loss, all this struggle through life to stare upon the face of the beloved and find no-one there?

Of course this story cries out and calls to many, for it is a story in which pity triumphs and we all need pity. We will all face this one day, some already have. I keep hoping the inherent truth will conquer the corruption of which you speak. But I fear you are right, and that what I hope for will never be.