And on a more cheerful note

[smokingboot]

We are trying to eat more veg. I gave up pork ages ago, a habit made more sustainable by visions of Mr Cameron's possible past, but it's hard to give up all meat, so we are trying to eat more veg, buy less meat and when we buy, try to buy cruelty free.

I would like to give up all meat. I haven't been right with it for a long time. In the search for more satisfying vegetarian meals, we watched an entire series of Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall extemporising on the glory of greens and I have achieved four vegetarian meals, only one of which was a dud. It was the first, a vapid cauliflower and chickpea curry, apparently from a 'friend' of Hugh's. The others were rather tasty; one indian vegetable curry, one mushroom soup with dumplings, and one aubergine lasagne. Now I am about to embarge on a terrifying experiment. I am about to make some kind of elizabethan vegetable pie with grapes and eggs. I may be gone some time...

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[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

It's not an art I've mastered yet.

Even when I was vegetarian for about 5 years, I never gave up fish - just couldn't do it. Now I hear that the seas are emptying, and think maybe I should try an entirely flesh free diet. But that will be difficult living with a partner who doesn't want to go that far, and also extremely time consuming.

[semyaza.livejournal.com]

That would be similar to the Japanese Buddhist vegetarian diet. The only ethical fish if you don't want to be a strict vegetarian would be closed-containment, land-based fish farm fish. Land-based fish farms are doable and we're not doing them for the most part. Soy is highly problematical as a meat substitute for health and environmental reasons. At one time - at least, when I became vegetarian in the early 80s - it was all about the ethics of killing animals for food. Now it's about what our farming practices are doing to the environment and what is ultimately of more importance - my guilt about eating a free-range organic chicken now and again or the problem of crops like canola/rapeseed/oilseed or even the shady goings-on in the olive oil industry. It's hard to keep on top of this stuff.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

It really is, I just never know what to eat and what to avoid. The series I mention with Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall does have an episode where he tries the Japanese Buddhist diet, and it looks truly beautiful, though not easy to achieve.

[semyaza.livejournal.com]

The concept of shojin ryori is excellent as it's a balanced diet with foods that aren't over-processed but it's hard to achieve at home. I'd be inclined to be a little heavier on the eggs and dairy (if you're not intolerant) and lighter on the tofu but on the whole I'm really keen on the idea of not having too much of any one ingredient in a meal. Meze achieves the same kind of thing.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

I have never tried shojin ryori - indeed, Hugh's prog was the first I had really heard of this kind of diet - but meze I know well!

The addition of eggs and dairy would certainly make it easier, but again, there's so much rubbish around the dairy industry in this country, ethical considerations rise. Goats milk might be an answer.

[semyaza.livejournal.com]

We have strict standards about dairy as far as organic certification, use of medications, prohibition of growth hormone etc are concerned but humane treatment is a different issue. They've been working hard on the latter this year in conjunction with the SPCA so I think it's possible for me to know what I'm buying or it will be soon. If I had a choice I'd go for sheep's milk products every time purely because of the flavour but ethically speaking goats might be better. I'd have to research it. Goat's milk isn't suitable for everything though unless you want that flavour.

I'm a nibbler. I like the idea of a lot of little dishes whether of a Mediterranean variety or Asian. I think it's the easiest way to reduce the amount of meat in the diet without feeling that you've been deprived.

[smokingboot.livejournal.com]

I am a fridge forager, and very adaptable; I can settle down to lots of little dishes or just three great platefuls a day as long as someone else cooks it!

I'm also a natural carnivore, unlike my mum, whose idea of heaven was a tomato cut in half and rubbed with garlic. She was always bewildered almost to the point of distress by big English meals stacked high with starch, meat and gravy.

Our laws about certification are many and bewildering. There are a couple of companies with a good reputation for animal welfare and fair prices between distributors and farmers, but it's still mostly complex and expensive. Nut milks are a favourite of mine, but they do not work in coffee/tea at all.